Noah and Abigail Erb

Noah and Abigail Erb, known from “Bachelor in Paradise,” share a compelling journey that began with their meeting on the show. Their love story is deeply connected to Tulsa, where Noah was born and raised in a large family of 10 siblings. Tulsa became a retreat for the couple, offering community and opportunities for personal growth. They relocated to Tulsa in 2023 after spending time in California and celebrated their wedding at the Philbrook Museum, emphasizing local vendors and creating a guest-friendly experience. Abigail, originally from Oregon, authored a memoir about her experience growing up with hearing loss and her journey with a cochlear implant. Together, they are passionate about Tulsa’s potential, engaging in real estate, social media marketing, and fostering connections within the community. Their vision for Tulsa combines innovation and tradition, highlighting the city’s vibrancy and unique charm.

Show Notes:

Guest: Noah and Abigail Erb, Tulsa Influencers

Key Moments:

• 00:00 Introduction and Initial Banter
• 00:22 Welcome to Tulsa is Home Podcast
• 01:04 Meet Noah and Abigail Erb
• 01:55 Noah’s Journey to Tulsa
• 03:16 Abigail’s Background and Move to Tulsa
• 04:32 Wedding Details and Tulsa Experience
• 11:05 Life in Tulsa and Real Estate Ventures
• 19:52 Abigail’s Book and Community Building
• 35:24 Random Stories and Childhood Memories
• 36:23 Life on the Farm
• 37:24 Honeymoon in Idaho
• 42:08 Reflections on The Bachelor Experience
• 46:53 Why Tulsa is Home
• 50:19 Rapid Fire Questions

Connect with Noah and Abigail:

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abigail_heringer/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/noah_erb/
• 📖Check out Abigails book on Amazon: The Deaf Girl by Abigail (Heringer) Erb

Transcript:

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Welcome to another episode of the Tulsa is home podcast. Uh, today is a little different. Uh, normally we do business owners and, um, you know, People with, uh, the city and kind of community, but we get, uh, to talk with some people who have a unique story and, uh, this is Noah and Abigail Erb, and you may know them from Bachelor, Bachelorette, and, uh, now called Tulsa Home, and, uh, so we’re excited to hear your story and just kind of a little bit of background and kind of what got you here and, um, You know, so to start off, you want to start off with a question?

Sure, yeah. Um, okay, so tell me a little bit, kind of, about your background, um, growing up, and then how your, um, paths crossed, and then what led you to Tulsa.  Alright. First off, thanks for having us on. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we’re so glad you guys are here. We’re not, uh, in the city of Tulsa, or technically Tulsa business owners yet, more or less, but stoked to be here.

Yes.  Uh, I think Tulsa It started for me cause I’m from here. Born and raised. My whole family’s here. 10 brothers and sisters. Most still live here. Most now having their kids. Everyone’s kind of rooted here.  And I kind of always, my friends made fun of me. I ran into some, I kind of always said, I want to do travel nursing.

I want to go travel, go to California, then come back to Tulsa and buy real estate. I feel like I’ve always said that. And then I, life went on.  Met Abby. We started dating in California. Um, sort of right after the show, you’re not supposed to be seen in public, things like that, so Tulsa was a place that was home for us.

We’d come here, go to my brother’s ranch, or go just random places throughout Tulsa, explore, and I was slowly just trying to convince her to move here and, you know, then a couple years in California, kind of figure out what do we want and it was,  I was drawn to Tulsa just because of the people and there’s a lot of potential here and you can really sort of use your skills and decide what you want to do.

It’s harder in places like LA and things like that. Um, so that was kind of my push to get back here. I knew it would work out and  she decided to twist my arm. Do you want to add on to that? Yeah, so I actually grew up in Oregon. I spent most of my life there. And then I was actually living in New York during COVID.

Um, just rent was really cheap at the time. I thought it was a once in a lifetime opportunity. And so I was actually in New York when we met. And so. I just never pictured myself living in Oklahoma. I remember that was one of the first things he said on the show was, Yeah, I’m from Oklahoma. I’m like, I think you’re the first person I’ve ever met from Oklahoma.

So you had never been to Oklahoma? What was that? So you had never been to Oklahoma? Nope, not until we were dating. And then we spent a lot of time here when we were in hiding.  I think it was just one of those places I always just looked forward to coming back. I mean, a lot of his family, a lot of his friends were here.

All the people were just really nice. Um, so then we moved to California. We had a lot of fun there. We were there for two years. But I kind of just found myself feeling like, There’s a lot of things I’m missing that I feel like I get when I’m in Tulsa, just community, nice people, um, so forth. So we were very excited to pull the plug, move here.

So we’ve been here for a little over a year. We moved August, 2023. Okay. Yeah. So we’ve been loving it. Yeah, and recently married.  Congratulations. Thank you. I’m not wearing my ring. I was bleeding last night, so I took it off. But yes, I think it’s been two weeks. Yeah, a couple of weeks. Just wrapped up the honeymoon.

Yeah, wedding was in Tulsa. We tried to, it was very small. Well, 30 people of my family, but about 95 people for us. Everything was, Tulsa vendors did it at the Philbrook, which is amazing, and it was just the perfect wedding. Everyone says it’s the perfect wedding when it’s their wedding, but Yeah. It was the perfect wedding.

Yeah. I love it. So tell me a little bit more about your wedding. Um, I’ve heard that you did, you wanted it to be, like, guest friendly and make it an experience where they got to experience Yeah, 

so one of the goals for our wedding, well, we had to, um, we really wanted it to be very kind of guest oriented, just have a lot of things for our guests to do. So we knew we wanted it to be three days so we could just spend a lot of time with them. Um, but a lot for our out of town guests, we really just wanted to highlight Tulsa and really just show, you know, this is what we’re doing in Oklahoma. 

I think we had a lot of questions from our friends in California, you know, why Oklahoma? What’s there to do in Oklahoma? So we kind of just wanted to curate. Yes, we have electricity. Yes, we know about interrupters and what not.  So we just wanted to curate just a really fun, like, three day experience just to show them like, here’s our house, here’s activities we enjoy doing, the mail, the field book. 

And we got a couple people to say, Oh, I could see myself living in Tulsa. Yeah, send me listings.  Yeah, I love that. Submission accomplished.  It was a really fun weekend.  Started at our house. Did um, 75 people at our house or something, which, uh, we’re just wrapping up the house. It was like the landscaping wasn’t done.

So I, you know, I couldn’t get a sub to show up. So I ended up doing it all myself. It’s like the week, you know, four days before rent a bobcat, you know, the house was like bootstrapped together. Then it finally came together and it was perfect. And then it was also the Mayo to the Mayo. We just kind of wanted that Gatsby, you know, roaring twenties, Tulsa oil capital. 

That sort of Tulsa feel, that’s kind of the vibe we wanted to go for, so same with the dress, it was like a Gatsby kind of theme. I think you said colorful black tie, which confuses a lot of people in Oklahoma. Nobody knows what that means. I would go straight to Jennifer and be like, yeah, what does this mean? 

But it was just a little taste of everything. Got some jazz, we had a brass band, a Tulsa brass band during the wedding. It was just all completely random things that somebody in Tulsa would Does really well, and it was part of our weekend, and it was yeah, it was awesome. And your dress was gorgeous. Thank you.

It’s so beautiful. Thank you.  Yeah, I almost lost her for a second It was um, we found out it was our neighbor’s house, so it’s a whole thing, but we got it back. We know where she lives. I was like, I should probably know where my wedding dress is, but um, our neighbor, again This is how great people are in Tulsa, our neighbors right next door.

They left town for two, three weeks. So they said, please use our house for the wedding. Your family can stay here, get ready. And so we ended up going out after the wedding. And so my family took the wedding dress back and they put it in the neighbor’s house. So for two weeks, I’m like, where’s my dress? And then we found out it was at the neighbor’s house.

So I’m glad he found that. Yes. She was just chilling. That’s amazing. What were some of the vendors that you had there?  Wedding questions are for Abby. Okay.  Um, so our wedding planner was Everett and Ivy. Um, the band was King Cabbage. I’m sure that might sound familiar. I think they do kind of events all over Tulsa.

Um, our photographer was Lauren Rader. Videographer, Maken Reads. Philbrook was the main venue. Um,  Oh yeah, Felix with, um, Emerald and Olive. If you ever need flowers, he is the best of the best. I did absolutely nothing. I just said, do what you think looks the best. And he was matching the colors that the filbrick already had with the seasons.

Yes. Yeah, he, so if anyone needs flowers, it’s Felix. Um, that’s all I got foundry big and foundry for bartending. Honestly, it was just, everybody did amazing. I think it’s just Tulsa pride.  Yeah. People showed out people and it was a rowdy, I think the bartender told me we were like two hours in or just, just the beginning.

He said for a normal 90 person wedding. Cause we had an espresso martini bar just for espresso martinis to get things rolling. He said for a normal 90 person wedding, um, we’re already a gallon and a half of only espresso over. Like two hours. Stop! I don’t think people realize  what else is in these drinks other than espresso.

There’s espressos! Everyone was just zooted, you know, wired. But everybody, all the vendors.  Like, I don’t think there was ever really a line. There was no, nothing weird that happened. You know, nobody dropped the ball big. So it really was the perfect wedding. It ended up being perfect. Yeah, people showed up. 

Which I think was also kind of a perspective thing, too. I tell people at Jess. I think we went into it, Jess. I’m not sure how you guys felt about your wedding day, but just the small things just don’t matter the day of. We were just so happy, so excited that all our family and friends were there. So. Even if small things popped up, I think we just have the mentality of it doesn’t matter, you know what, it’s here, we’re getting married, let’s have fun.

And the goal was kind of a, what did you call it, an elevated dinner? Is that what you said? Or an elegant dinner? It was like a, the whole wedding was sort of like, it felt like a dinner with friends and family. Intimate dinner. I could have sworn I heard the word elevated, but it might have been intimate.

Elevated and intimate. I mean, yes, it was, so. All these interior design terms, she figured out I’d mix them up. That’s amazing. I love that. I think that’s such a good perspective. Like, at the end of the day, you’re going to be married, and that’s the best part. Right, and it happens so quickly, too. Like, you just want to soak it all in before the day’s over.

And, like, people warned me, but it’s so true. I felt like I looked at the clock, and people were like, It’s ten o’clock, like, we gotta go. I’m like, ugh, I feel like we were just getting started, but it was fun.  Now it’s normal life. Okay, how’s that been? Normal life’s been good. Uh, so we moved into a house, older house, uh, in Midtown. 

And I think that was her call, moving in and renovating it. Cause I have a house like two miles away that we totally, totally could’ve just stayed in. But, uh, yeah. We moved. We were very excited to get started. We were like, blank campus, okay, let’s tackle it, but we did the kitchen first. Yeah. Which, that was our mistake, but. 

Well, we did a lot of things at first. It was our, it was our first time kind of saying, okay, you decorate, I handle the GC and whatever work. I decided to do, and then let’s just see how it goes. So it was one of those things that looking back, it turned out way better than you’d expect. Yeah, completely random subs, for just everything being just sort of like pick and choose.

It turned out really well. Now it’s like, okay. Her style and my style has evolved a little bit. We want to tweak a few things and we’re trying to compartmentalize it instead of just going all in but  That’s been keeping us busy. Yeah, very busy. That’s been keeping us busy and also  Tulsa real estate in general.

That’s kind of the goal for us regardless. So it’s mixing obviously our house and then the other.  How nice do you want to make each one? What are the rents? Do I want to spend all my time doing that or this or overseeing that? It’s just kind of like  it’s been a year of busy trying to figure out sort of the path that we’re on. 

I know, we have to remind ourselves, we’ve only been here for a year, like, we just need to slow down a little bit, it doesn’t all need to happen right now, um, but the minute it slows down, you’re like, okay, what’s next, what’s next, so,  we’re, we’re enjoying the quiet time right now, but after the holidays, I think we’ll get back into  picking up the hammer and doing the next project.

It’s always going to be a project. It’s always going to be a project. That’s what we’ve learned is the project list only gets longer, not shorter. It’s true.  That’s really fun. So you had quite the journey from traveling ICU nurse to, I mean, at what point did you transition? Away from that. And then, Is it during the show or like, recently?

I just actually posted about it. It’s kind of been a long transition for me because it was really hard. I tried to go back into the hospital because I’m like, bored almost. You know, I went to the ICU, been on TV, and it’s like, okay. I was doing something really crazy a minute ago and now I’m like, figuring out what I want to do.

So it was hard to transition to like, No, we want to do real estate, we want to fully dive into Tulsa and do this and completely kind of moving out of nursing.  So I tried in California, different places and I would pick up shifts, uh, different contracts and it was kind of like, okay, I’m not. I’m like, I have a foot in both occupations and I was pretty burned out with nursing, you know, after COVID and everything worked all those years through to where I’m like, all right, I just need to put a bow tie on this and maybe I can get back to it later, but I got to just sort of.

Move on. So it was more of this year was the biggest. I even looked in Tulsa, I toyed with myself. Yeah. Different contracts and stuff, and it’s like,  It’s not really what I, I don’t think I would enjoy it as much, or be able to do it as well, cause my mind is in a bunch of other places, so it’s been kind of a, like,  I have to force myself to close the door to really open up to the opportunities of what else I’m doing, so. 

Couple years of actually toying with in and out and things like that to where it’s finally like, okay No, this is what we enjoy. This is what we’re good at and I still feel my fulfillment and I’m still like feel accomplished It’s not like I’m bored wondering when do I get back in the hospital, right? So it’s kind of a long I don’t know if you’ve transitioned from different occupations.

It’s a little different for everyone. Yeah  for me I probably made it harder than it had to be but  I’d say since we moved back kind of I decided unless Unless this plan completely falls on its side, uh, I’m sticking to it. If you guys see me working 60 hours at the hospital in Tulsa, you probably know why.

It didn’t work, so we’ll try again later. But for now, it’s, yeah, I’m closing the door on that.  I’ll give you an espresso if I see you.  No, but it’s been fun kind of using those skills and  the different connections I had through that.  Randomly seeing stuff that I learned in the hospital and people skills and random things I’d never thought about or people I’d met.

Seeing it start to pop back up in my life when I thought I’d walked away sort of from the hospital. So there’s still a weird, you know, people pop in or I’ll see a car wreck, you know, and I’ll go help and be like, This stuff never happened before I left, but now random stuff. So it’s still kind of interlooped.

Yeah. We’re, we’re focused on real estate in Tulsa. Okay, awesome. Yeah. So what does that look like? Are you doing flips? Are you doing rentals?  Um, right now, I think my new answer is ask me tomorrow, like what I’m doing. Um, I personally see Tulsa long game.  We just recently went back to Nashville. I hadn’t been to Nashville in,  I don’t know, since college, a long time, and I remember what Nashville was.

or in Dallas and some of these other cities and to see what they are now.  I’m like, Tulsa is not too far off. If I look at a five, 10 year window. So the flips to me don’t do anything. You’ll attack. I don’t even want to deal with the taxes on flips anyways. It’s more retained property in Tulsa. Increase the value, um, save as much money as we can doing with my subs or her or me physically doing the work or whatever and just try to build a portfolio, mix and match with some midterm, midterm, short term, you know, cause there’s nurses and doctors and things like that. 

Um, but no, not sell. Yeah. Keep things, just slowly build a portfolio, work on our skills, get the subs out that don’t do a good job and kind of work on the machine. But I’m just saying, yeah, I think our biggest project at the moment is definitely our primary house. Yes. Um, we’re renovating it. Um, but I think just We’re not looking to sell it or anything, but we do kind of monetize off of it in a way, which is social media, because we do post all the updates and the projects and so forth, so I would say that’s definitely the most kind of time consuming, the biggest goal, and then once that starts to slow down, I think we’ll try to transition more into kind of what you were saying of Kind of working on the rental properties, but I don’t think we’ve talked a lot about like buying a home, flipping it, so forth.

I don’t know anything about that, so I’m not in a hot hurry to dive into that, but We’ll look into having, down the road, some sort of like Tulsa 1031 exchange project that you just keep,  you know, building on. That would be some sort of flipping, I guess. Yeah, but for the most part, yeah, it’s sort of because another aspect is we work a lot with marketing, social media and different companies.

So if I have the time to plan out  a project, I’ll work with a company that does the caulk or paint or something like that. So there’s, that’s a large portion of our income is actually the social media and the marketing aspect. So it’s kind of.  Mixing and matching those where later it’ll be more just solely focused on investment properties.

But right now it’s kind of a mix of sort of both and seeing basically just how to get our cost down. Yeah. You know.  And that’s always a challenge. It always is. But rents in Tulsa, I was blown away. I don’t know if everyone’s just jacking up prices because they can or that’s what the rents are. But yeah.

Tulsa rents. You know just from a couple years ago looking back into it. Yeah  But I’m coming from California. They’re much lower 

Which it’s nice It’s not like it used to be a few years ago where you could buy pretty much any property in Tulsa You’ve got your 4% For you know sub five  and you could make a few hundred dollars by making it a little nicer make a few hundred dollars It’s not the case like that anymore, but the Tulsa ceilings higher.

So it’s There’s more wiggle room, but you got a a lot of people are putting too much in When prices are too high, so it’s kind of finding that balance of what can we get out of Tulsa without? You know, going past that ceiling. Right, for sure.  Definitely. So, kind of going back to your history, and so you have a book.

Mm hmm. And, um, so I’d like you to kind of touch on that and, um, kind of what led you, um, to write the book, and I think your mom had also had an influence on that, and so I’m glad she encouraged you to go on the show. I’m writing. I’m writing. I would not be here without her. I will say, I read the book and it, uh, I learned a ton about that whole, I mean, so I think you’re, I love seeing people.

Use a spotlight that God has given them to, to share, uh, with something impactful and meaningful and helpful. Um, so Would you mind just kind of opening the question? Yeah, I would love to. Well, thank you. And thank you for reading it. Um, so yes, I came out with a book called The Deaf Girl about two months ago.

And so, backstory, um, I was born profoundly deaf, and both my sister and I were born deaf. She’s a year and a half older. And we received a cochlear implant when we were two years old, which was still a very, very, um, A very new technology at the time, so even now, a lot of people still don’t know about it.

And so, when I went on the show, I talked about my hearing loss on the show, and I just never really realized how many people out there, outside of my little bubble in Oregon, um, had a very similar story, um, had a lot of questions. Parents with concerns of their child going through the same thing that my mom and I went through.

you know, 25 years ago. And so my mom and I came up with the idea of kind of writing a joint memoir in a way. Um, so the first half really kind of just details her experiences as a parent of navigating, you know, when your child ends up on a different path than you originally thought. Um, and also just kind of validating a lot of The emotions that I think parents sometimes feel like they can’t put out there because they might come across as, Oh, I’m ashamed of my child, or I feel guilty, or all those things.

So I think just trying to offer support for parents going through that.  And then the second half is more kind of my experiences of what it’s like growing up with a hearing loss, um, what it’s like navigating friendships, dating, the show, what that was like going through it, um, really just to kind of offer a more kind of emotional side to a disability because anyone can go to the doctor and the audiologist and say you know What is my life gonna look like and I feel like they get met with you know, we can’t guarantee anything We can’t promise this but here’s what we can do while you’re here in the doctor’s office But there’s still so many questions outside of the doctor that people have a social settings, you know It’s my child gonna make friends get married and so forth.

Um, so that was the goal Uh, the deaf girl, and she’s been out for two months, and it was a lot of work planning the wedding and doing the bookings. So,  so we are enjoying our quiet life right now. It was a very, September was very, very busy, but, um, glad to be done with kind of all the hard. work behind it, and now it’s out there for anybody that wants to read it.

That’s amazing. Yeah. I love that you were able to share that story and allow  other families to relate to that. I think that’s so important. Thank you. That’s really neat. Thank you.  And you, you touched a lot on community in the book. And, um, just kind of finding your sense of community and, um, different stages in life.

Um, How, how do you find, you know, we’re, what, a year in since you’ve been in Tulsa? Um, how has your community, um, been and do you feel like, have you been able to make steps towards really? Having roots in Tulsa. Yeah, definitely. Um, so I definitely have my work cut out for me moving here because he I feel like knows Everybody or like one person separation of people in Tulsa So when we came in and we have spent some time in Tulsa before actually moving here and so we already kind of had a established friend group, but To be honest, I feel like I’m just busier than ever, like socially, um, you know, in Oregon I think it was just so common just to have kind of smaller groups of like three, four people and people kind of just did their own thing more often.

Whereas in Tulsa, I feel like it’s very much um, let’s get the biggest group possible. Let’s um, it’s not cliquey at all and it’s been so easy to meet people here. The people are just so nice, um, and I swear every night. We’re doing something.  So, yeah, so it’s been very easy. I know that’s not always the case, but, um, I did Tulsa Remote, um, to move here, and  they do a really good job of studying up the China events as well, um, so I just always felt like I had a lot of support from, um,  You, your friends, family, Tulsa remote, um, so I feel like you kind of have to go out of your way to not,  you know, meet people or so forth.

People are very like, come one, come all kind of thing, so. And one thing when I was trying to get her to move here is obviously, you’d expect, she’ll move here, you’ll make your own friends, and then I’ll have my friends, we’ll have her intermingling, but you sort of do your own thing.  And it has been nice, well it’s true, cause you don’t want, I don’t want all of her friends to be my friends.

Like the only friends you have are my friends, cause then you don’t feel like you can, they’re your friends, you know. So it has been nice that  she’s made friends that, sure I know who they are, whatever, but They, her, her sister, your friends group, have your own thing going on, and it’s not only because I live here and I introduced you to all these people.

Like people, you’re meeting people that, it’s just, there’s good people out here that actually care about what you’re doing in your life.  So that’s been nice.  Yeah.  Do y’all have certain, I mean, you’ve been so busy with wedding and, uh, the book release and everything. Um, but what do you guys like to do for just fun, if you’re to go out and just, whether during the day, let’s start with day and then we’ll transition to like day.

Date night. So for me, it’s definitely either walks, so we have our dog Mocky, so like Gathering Place and Riverside, I love taking him there, um, and honestly, restaurants, like all the restaurants here, I just have been blown away, so like Cherry Street, Brookside, I love going to, um, we started going to the Farmer’s Market, and what else?

A lot of walks during the day. I played Pickleball this morning. 7. 30 Pickle. Where’d you play? Uh, Lang, what’s that? Just off of  46, I think, in Harvard. There’s new ones. What supplies are you sharing? Where? They’re very, like, secret.  Tulsa, just put up. Um, there’s so many different courts. We actually drew that to the Brooklyn area. 

We played at a No, Tulsa has a whole The other ones are on Peoria, overlooking downtown, 6th and Peoria by the, across the cemetery. There’s a lot of good courts. But, golf, pickleball, we make sure we do walks. We try to not get hit by cars in Midtown. So you need sidewalks. They do, yes.  Um, and we like to do a lot of having people over.

You know, we art a house, we put all this work into it to make it nice and enjoy it. We like to do with different friends, just having, you know, friends over. And cooking and doing whatever, chilling. So a lot of it’s at the house. Yeah. Um. What do you like cooking?  Do you grill or  She’s, the last two nights in a row,  handmade pasta.

We got some fun things off the registry. So I’ve been experimenting with some of our new appliances. How’d it go? The first time. What was that? How did the pasta go the first time? It was a little rough. First time tasted great. The first time was a little rough. Didn’t look great.  Second time. I might figure it out the second time.

And then third time was perfection. That’s amazing. Yes. I would say I probably cook more kind of every day. A new.  Like grilling and stuff. I think it’s your forte. I’m feeling mildly all. I’m a good cook, but she’s got it handled. I love cooking. That’s my time at the end of the day. It’s like my little hour.

I just have to get TikTok going. I’m just like making my pasta. A lot of our date nights, that’s kind of what it is. It’s a dinner at home and then make sure you catch a sunset. Walk to Zink Park or something. Yeah. You guys are in a great location where you’re around. It’s so nice. I used to make fun of, cause I grew up on the east side, so I used to make fun of the midtown bubble.

Now you’re in the middle of it. It is as good as it gets. Trader Joe’s is too busy, but other than that, we love that area. I know I tell people it’s like, um, living in like a Hallmark movie. I’m just like, it’s way too perfect over here. Like, the people are so nice, the houses, just the pace of living. I’m like But we’re the youngest in our  vicinity neighborhood by, it’s gotta be 40 years, 30 years.

Oh, they’re all great, though. They’re all retired. Oh, they’re amazing. They’ll take their head out and see what we’re doing. They’re checking up on us. I gotta go take out someone’s trash and trim their trees later today.  It’s a weird, tight little fun group. We love it. I love when neighbors become like family. 

Oh, that’s really special.  Favorite restaurants?  I love Boston. I was gonna say that.  All my friends that come into town, I say, For the experience, you gotta go, because it reminds me of like, a New York, Mm hmm. Some sort of underground restaurant. I like duets, when they do like, the live music, and like, the little pre fixed dinners.

Um, tea at Simmsy, the ginger rabbit margarita. Yeah, they have  margaritas. Shout out Nick Guajardo. Um, try to think of what else. Uh, I feel like in the raw downtown, for like, the experience, like the rooftop, I’ll tell people that.  Jinya, good ramen.  I go to old school probably every day. Do you? Old school bagel, yeah.

Do you go there for dinner? No, just in the morning. No, I didn’t. Pickleball, old school, or walk, old school. It’s a good way to start your day. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, Berksi and Cherry Street. We’re trying to go downtown a little bit more. We haven’t spent as much time downtown. We kind of just Brookside has been our little bubble.

So we’re trying to get out and explore. So if you guys have any rocks, we’ll take them all.  Our very favorite restaurant, Burned Down. Lowood. Did you guys ever go to Lowood? No, we didn’t. I mean, it was like, my all time favorite. What was it called again? Lowood. No, I never went there. No, I haven’t been there.

We were sad when Hodges burned down. We used to do the jazz, that jazz night turned into, it started with a few friends, then it was like We had 30 people. Everyone would dress up nice. Spend money we didn’t have at the bar.  It was fun. Sad to see that place go.  But Vintage Wine barred those jazz nights now.

We did that after our wedding. Yeah. So that’s really fun if you guys like jazz. We switch it up. We switch it up depending on what we eat that week. Cause we try to cook. Try to be healthy. And then, there’s like our staple, depends on what we’re feeling. Yeah, yeah.  Our little reward. Yes! Blue Moon Cafe, every Sunday pretty much.

Doesn’t miss. It’s a good one.  We’ve been there. I know. New favorites, the um, what’s Karina’s? Restaurant. Oh, Grassroots Lager. Oh, yep. On Cherry Street. Okay, yes, their quiche is fantastic. Breakfast, their breakfast sandwiches. And I think it’s all local.  Ingredients, so. I love going in there. Very, very good. And there’s more that pop up. 

I used to feel like I knew every single spot, every corner in Tulsa.  We were gone for two years. I feel like I know 20%.  There’s so many, so many good local restaurants. Feels like eating healthy. Have you been to bone?  Apparently we don’t eat healthy. The only, the only good healthy restaurants, never. So you said you eat healthy during the week. 

Um, it’s at  81st and Harvard. But she started making her own bone broth. So super healthy. But you can go in there and get like sourdough loaves, like sourdough bread. They have gluten free cookies and they have broth bowls. I mean they’re healthy tasting. But just like good local stuff. I literally told them, I’m like, I want to get on the bone broth train. 

Sourdough train. The best. Bone broth. Really? I won’t even, I won’t get the meal. Even though  though, he just, just the broth. I’ll just get the broth. You can just go and get a cup of hot broth. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And we’ll make lattes with broth and smoothies with broth to go over there. Yeah. Okay. We’re going the We’ll, okay.

I feel like you’re trying to get into another raw milk. Okay. I would just only drink at least a gallon a week. Do you? Yeah. Wan’s dairy. You guys been there? Uh, no. No  stomping grounds growing up? I think it’s in Claremore, maybe. Okay. That’s where I grew up. We used to do, it started with the glass bottles.

We’d do the milk, you want to talk about a homeschool family? Yes. We’d do the milk co op where one week we’d drop it off to the people. That’s amazing. And the other week they’d drop it off, but it’s non So you grew up, like, on a farm. Okay. I mean, you have ten brothers and sisters. Ten brothers, yeah. You had a big red van, too.

Feeding all the animals.  Yeah.  Yeah, I saw some home videos. It’s, there’s some kids on the roof, like, working on the roof, I see some kids, like, chasing the chickens. It was a whole operation. We actually grew, I grew up, the house I was born in is across the street. Blue house, tucked in. Really? Right here?

Right across the street. I remember, since we were homeschooled. Speaking of illegal stuff,  just manual labor, you know, do your school for a little bit then we’d get dropped off at one of these houses for like four hours, I remember working, so I might go check it out after this and see how it looks. I feel like that probably shaped your artworking.

All that stuff, it was terrible then, uh, but, you know, I did buy a house when I was 21, probably wouldn’t have done Hadn’t done that and I do have a lot of skills. Half of them I wish I didn’t know because I would have more time.  But, a lot of skills that you hate your parents for when you’re younger. You hate your life when you’re doing it.

You start to slowly like it. Then you’re like, This is fun. I’m saving so much money.  You know, the next stage is so much easier. So definitely, yeah, I learned a lot of things out on the farm. Out on the farm. Give us a couple examples of just some fun stories that you had as a kid with 10 brothers and sisters.

Well, we grew up on 40 acres. Um, Down by 11th. Brother still has cattle and stuff like that. He’s got a bunch of acreage. But we grew up kind of like we were homeschooled so you’d do your school and you’d work. Or we’d like make forts, you know. So we had dirt bikes that we would make trails and all the wooded areas and we’d make these massive forts.

Go get the tractor. Matthew Ferguson moved dirt.  Big stock tank over it or a tree house or something. We were always doing stuff outside.  But then it would be like  Alright, it’s 1 p. m. Now what do we do? So it would be like, go mow lawns, you know, make 10 bucks a lawn or something. Or rake leaves or something like that.

And that carried on for a long time. You said a random story. These are just, all these random stories.  That carried on for a long time. Uh, I always kind of thought, like, Dude, am I behind? Like, am I dumber than these kids? Or whatever. And then we took the placement test, and it was like, Oh, we were actually a little bit further ahead, but I also got to do these random things that,  You know, I wouldn’t have gotten the chance to do. 

I feel like an average day, it varied. My mom, if you think back, we had a huge like ten acre garden, or a big garden, I don’t know how big it was. Um, and we’d be out doing our things, I’d always remember for lunch, we’d have this big bell. Oh yeah. And you’d hear the bell from like four house, you’d be at the neighbor’s house or something, you’d hear a bell.

And they would know it’s us, we’re that family, you know. So I’d be like, alright, like a dog, you know, time to go back to dinner, you know, whatever. I’d hear it, but it was random things like that, I don’t know. So when did the bell story come, did you hear about that? I just remembered it now. I just remembered it now.

I feel like every time you talk about the farm right here in the neighborhood, I hear about this goat that terrorizes the kids. I heard a bell. We had about every animal. You falling off the roof. Then I heard, well, the bell story today. Yeah. We had about every animal you could think of. We had peacocks, goats, sheep.

That’s not a typical, like.  No, we had like, um, some African chickens that could fly.  Stop. Just random, completely random animals. And like, tons of chickens, you know. Cause I love your parents, they’re amazing, they’re great. But I feel like if you met them, it would all It makes sense. It was a homestead. It was a proper homestead, yes.

That’s really cool. But now we’re going to have a sick garden at Utica, once I get around to it. Once you get around to it. Maybe three chickens. Abby, do you ever see yourself living out on some land? So I never did. I always thought it would just be very isolated and whatnot. But then for our honeymoon, we got a cabin out in Idaho.

And it was a good amount of land, good privacy and whatnot. And I actually really enjoyed it. I think it was just something about The thing is, I need to figure out if I could live, versus like a getaway, if I would get bored after a certain amount of time, but I think there’s just something about like growing your own stuff, knowing where it came from, the quiet living, um, it’s getting, as I get older, it’s definitely getting more appealing.

Yeah. For sure. And it’s like a recharge. It’s an escape. Even just the honeymoon. Cause we were gonna go, this big honeymoon, you know, I was gonna go,  go to Kauai, cause we wanted to go to Kauai, then you’re already almost there, so go to Japan,  might as well, and then go to the Philippines, since I had already been, and it was this whole trip, and then it was like, we were so busy. 

She blames me that I didn’t plan it, but it would have been handled. Before we had a rule, I was doing the wedding and he was supposed to do the honeymoon. It would have been handled for sure. But I think secretly I was very happy. I wasn’t like reminding you, like, plan it, plan it. I was like, I hope it doesn’t get planned.

Once Idaho, randomly, I don’t know where it came from, but Idaho popped in. Well, we originally said Jackson Hole. Memory Bank. Jackson Hole. Like it’s been getting more popular. And so I was like, how about something like Jackson Hole? And we started looking and it’s very expensive in Jackson Hole. Mm-hmm . And so we wanted a cabin versus like a resort or something just to get a little bit more kind of isolation.

Um, and so Victor, Idaho, it’s on the other side, the Tetons from Jackson Hole. Okay. And. I was like, oh, we can just drive into Jackson Hole. It’s only 30 minutes away. We only went in once. We actually really loved the Idaho side. Yeah, it was just quiet. The food there, I was not expecting to eat some of the best food in Idaho, but the food there was so good.

Um, I think it was more just, it wasn’t like processed. Scratch, yeah. Everything was scratch. It was homemade. Like, sandwiches would be like this thick and like the bacon and the ham was so good. The Asian food was also really good. Um. The biggest thing I noticed was the bread. All the bread, every, all the bread was like thick.

Somebody like ground it down in the bag. Everything was like.  It gave me Scandinavian vibes, where the wood and the stone, kind of architecture, and the style of the food kind of reminded me of Iceland or Scandinavia or something like that. It was just high quality. It was just so healthy and not processed, I was like, this is fantastic. 

Um, and then it was just gorgeous. We went probably the best time of the year to like fall right before it starts getting really cold. And now we want to buy a house out there. Now it’s like, I would love to buy land where we can build a house. If I want to develop a, you know, some lots of it, a couple acres.

Sure. But just to have something to where you can  recharge. Yeah. Recharge. Bring the kids. Because that’s what this family did that we stayed, you know, they had their two kids. They lived there for a few months out of the year.  Which is kind of the dream. And you get that, but you also have your normal life.

So we’ll see. We’ll love both. We loved it. We loved it. She will get leaned. 

We’re just playing the saves. Little steps at a time. It’s the debate of how far out do you want to go. You’ve already bought the van. Shut up. No, I’m like, if 30 minutes to the grocery store, I don’t think I can. Do that. But if we’re growing everything in the backyard, we got Lino there, who knows, who knows.

We’re gonna get a little community cult. Cut this one out too. No, no. We’ve got a bunch of friends, we’ve all got five acres of yards. Yeah, it’d be too easy. Yeah, he was like, how fun would it be if we got all our friends to live on the same property? I’m like, yeah. That sounds like a cult. Yeah, I was trying to explain it, and I kept adding more things, like, no, no, no, you teach them what you want.

She’s like, that’s a cult. Yeah. You know, it’s a society, you know.  Iron King  wants a drop of milk. I’m like, cult. That’s hilarious.  Yeah, I would love that. Then your kids can just freely go play, and it’s all safe, and yeah. It’s getting more appealing to everybody. It really is. Everyone’s wanting, I think, more.

The craziness of what’s going on. You just want things that you can control. The food I eat, I want to know what it is. What my kids are doing. What, like, is around me. For sure.  We lost so much control. I feel like now everyone’s like, what, can I just keep my core principles of what I like? Yes. It’s true.

It’s true. It just sounds like we’re planning a call. 

We’re in. It was a lot of fun. That’s funny. So, uh, intentionally kind of stayed away from Bachelor Stuff because I think you guys have just been interviewed a million times on Bachelor Stuff. But what is something that you took away? Um, either from the relationship or, um, maybe a really good time or maybe a really difficult thing.

Um, just something that kind of stands out during that experience.  That’s a good question. That’s the first time I’ve gotten that question. Um, I feel like Roderick.  Roderick with a good question. Um, I feel like the biggest thing that it taught me, so before I went on the show, I was living  I would say a very kind of mundane life.

I was working an 8 to 5 finance job, I did the exact same thing, I never did trips, so forth, and I was like, I have to work, and then that’s kind of my plan for life, and then COVID hit, and so that was kind of the first time that I was like, I don’t have a plan, I don’t know what to do, I’m furloughed, all these things, and so, A bachelor ad popped up and so I applied for the show and I think just the biggest thing it taught me, going through the experience and putting yourself out there and having people watch you try to.

Find love, get rejected, all those things. I think in a way it kind of teaches you like, take risks. You know, do things outside your comfort zone. While it’s really really scary and in the moment you might feel so uncomfortable and you’re like, I want to be anywhere but here right now. Like, just looking back on every single experience that I had during the show and because of the show, I Just look at it, and I’m like, I am so happy that it happened because I would not have met you, I would have never found Tulsa, um, and that’s where we’re laying roots and stuff, so I think it’s try everything, don’t be scared of if it’s not gonna work out or so forth, because something will come out of it, even if it’s not what you expected,  like, your life will go the way that it’s meant to happen, and so, I think that’s what the show taught me is  Take risks.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like you were already doing that before the show, so. I think to reiterate that, er, sort of,  would be, no, just reiterate, just a different, different approach on it. Um, is, tying on to that is, yeah, I sort of just do my things and.  You know, all their consequences, good or bad, I happen to go on TV, now people get to see the things I’m doing.

So it’s like, okay, I gotta be more mindful. That was the first thing. And this translated into real life too. You know, you never know who’s watching. It doesn’t mean change what you’re doing, but you just need to be mindful of your actions and your words because it might not. It could be coming off a completely different way and people are watching and only get that part and that’s not what it was.

But now you’re in a mess, you know, so it’s kind of being mindful, uh, was something that I picked up on and also  Finally reiterating If you’re able to be yourself, the show opened up a ton of doors. That was never the plan.  Go Beyond TV opened doors, moved back to Tulsa. It was never like a plan we talked about.

It’s just, you were yourself, and she got a platform that impacted an entire population. You know, in the disabled community and things like that. Um, my being myself didn’t have the same impact. It had a different impact, but it opened up doors that wouldn’t have been there. Had I had been coy or decided, ah, I don’t know.

So it’s building on those things of being mindful. But being true to yourself and doors will open and in the same sense doors will close But you wouldn’t have known that those doors should have closed and those ones would have opened unless you just did it So it’s kind of like  a good reminder of what can happen if you just are mindful of the character you are and sticking to it and then just letting life and God and People kind of dictate the rest.

Right. Yeah. So.  I guess. Just kidding. Glad it. Yeah. Glad we did it. And I’m glad that we’re back in Tulsa because. We can, I mean, the show is amazing, but that was a few years ago for us. That’s not, like, the most important thing I’ve ever done in my life, I’d say. Um, and it is fun to talk about, it’s cool to talk about, but now it’s like, What are we doing with it?

You know, I don’t want to just say, yeah, I was on the show, and I’m from Tulsa, like, cool. It’s like, what am I doing with this impact and these doors that were open, now I gotta do something with it. So let’s figure out what that is. Yeah. That’s a good perspective to have.  Do you have anything else before I, that’s the last?

I’m gonna do the rapid fire questions. So, yeah, we’re gonna do, after we wrap up, uh, the main interview, we’re gonna do rapid fire questions. Okay. But, uh, so, playing off Tulsa is home, we’ve kind of danced around this question, but, so if you were gonna directly recruit, let’s say you got some friends, give them reasons why they need to move to Tulsa.

Like, why Tulsa is so great, and why Tulsa is home for you guys.  I mean, all weekend of our wedding, I kept saying community. Um, it’s just the quality of people here. It’s just, I’ve never been in a place where it’s been like that. So that for sure sticks out for me.  To me, it’s that, obviously, you can’t buy good people.

You just, they’re there, and you gotta make the most of them. Um, for me, it would be, it’s important to be a part of a place in something where you feel that you actually have some sort of an impact. And it’s not an impact that only you’re getting cause your dad’s rich or your dad knows a guy from the bank or whatever.

It’s,  if I was gonna convince somebody to move here, it would be,  It’s fertile. You can find what you want to do. And you can actually do it. You don’t have to be somebody that’s already been grandfathered into some system. You work hard enough, the ceiling is high, and it’s still, this is not a completely exploded town that is already overpopulated.

It’s growing, and it’s a consistent, you know. Look at the 30 year growth with real estate pretty much every year. It’s not super volatile. It’s just slow and steady so move here if you want to be a part of something if you actually want to  Plant your roots and start your own company. There are resources and People that want Tulsa to grow that’ll help you do that But you got to start somewhere that the opportunities there.

It’s harder  In a bigger city where you’re kind of having to climb the ladder and  there’s already stuff set up that you’re not in. It’s easier here when everyone’s moving. You can actually, you know, be in your 30’s or 40’s and do something, not just look at it as it goes on. Yeah. So.  I love that.  That’s why we ended up in Tulsa.

Or, you know, to be able to build those roots and to have the community, with the things that you guys said.  That’s something that we love about Tulsa too.   Awesome. Questions?  Um, so we’re going to have to reconnect, hang on.  Oh. Um, appreciate you guys. Oh yeah. For coming on. And uh, so we’re going to transition to a rapid fire questions deal and um, we’re going to have all the show notes and details and links to probably all the restaurants and everything that we talked about and again, yeah, we just appreciate.

Uh, you being here today? Yeah, thank you guys. Yeah, sorry for blowing you guys off until last night. Oh, no. No, we, we, we do want to click for Spawns, you can email me.  We do want to  stay involved with Tulsa. I think Tulsa is, is awesome. And I don’t think Tulsa has enough  um, like from our world there’s Influencers and corporate money goes towards people that will help with marketing or whatever sort of business.

There’s not much of that in Tulsa. There’s not a lot of corporate space to do things with. Which is another thing that I feel like Tulsa could use help with. Yeah, for sure. There’s a bunch of things, but Tulsa,  we’re here a lot and getting the trajectory. There’s a lot of potential too. Awesome.  Alright.

Well, thank you so much. Thank you. That’s a wrap. Okay. What’s your go to spot for a date night in Tulsa?  Boston Tidal.  Okay.  Would you want both of us to answer? If you have anything to add, it doesn’t matter. Yeah. If you have a different answer. Yeah. Are you going to pity back off of me the entire time?  I’ll give him.

Boston. We switch it up. Okay. We switch it up. But Boston’s a go. It’s a good. Okay. Favorite outdoor spot in the city to unwind and enjoy nature.  Sink. I was going to say gathering place. Or gathering place. Yeah, one of the close parks. Yeah. Okay. A Tulsa tradition or event that you both look forward to every year?

Oktoberfest! Yay! Alright, describe Tulsa in one word.  Vibrant.  Vibrant. That was a good one, that’s why I asked you. That was a good one. Uh, content. Content, okay, that’s a good one.  Dream guest you’d love to see visit Tulsa? Uh,  there’s so many people.  I don’t know, I want to get somebody that’s kind of rich, kind of famous, that would stick out in Oklahoma.

Would be like, what am I doing on ATV around Cali? Leo DiCaprio? Yeah. But I think he’s been here before. He has been here. Yeah. That was drama’s place. He knows Oklahoma. Yeah.  I just want somebody that doesn’t belong. Someone like Leo DiCaprio. That’s down to give it a ride, but it’s like, what am I doing here? 

Crazy.  Yeah, that’s good. Um, which Tulsa neighborhood do you love the most?  Which um, unless we want to get more, I like Utica Square. Uh, also all those houses at like 71st and Yale in the hills. Yep, the hills. I do love those. If Tulsa had a signature drink, what would it be?  I feel like something fancy. A little sophisticated. 

Um, some sort of martini. I  was going to say a ranch water with like a dirty olive on the side to keep it classy. Just a staple but a little fine.  Oh, that’s funny.  Favorite weekend activity? 

Hmmmm.  I like our Sunday routines, uh, church, blue moon, cafe, walk with Maki, and then getting ready for the week. Yeah, love that.  Um, one thing that every visitor to Tulsa should experience? Center of the universe.  I think it’s a bizarre phenomenon that still has not quite  I haven’t been able to explain it, but No, I looked into it.

Trust me, I looked into it, but I think people should still experience it because it’s weird. Um, I would say, I always tell people, Gathering Place, Utica Square, um, and, I’m blanking on the last one. Actually, everyone needs to experience one day on top of Crybaby Hill.  Probably don’t want to do it again, but you got to get one in.

It is fun to go. Good trashy fun. Yep, I agree.  Best Tulsa Skyline view?  Favorite Tulsa Skyline view? Best Tulsa Skyline? Would it be from the summit? Summit or the Like the mayo? Yep. Yeah, that’s good. What’s the best season to experience Tulsa? Fall. Whatever this last weather cycle is. We’re still confused.

Fall is hard to beat. Yeah, fall is so good. Um, one local product or business you can’t live without?  The quiche from Grassroots Lager. That was so good.  Yeah, I’d say old school still.  Quincy, he just, he knows what he’s doing over there.  Is old school local? It’s uh, it’s just a little bigger town. They were a chain.

I don’t know what it is. I just know that’s been a staple since  nursing school. I used to go in there for hours.  That’s funny. What’s one misconception about Tulsa that you disagree with? Um, like, what’s the word? Not old fashioned, but like, behind the times.  Yeah, it’s not all rednecks. Yeah. Is that, or, I mean, we’re in Oklahoma, we can say that.

Yeah. I was trying to give you that, but I was like, I’m not from Oklahoma, so I don’t want to be the one to say it. Yeah. Or like, country. Because I don’t think Tulsa, like, in itself, is very country. People outside, if they know where Tulsa is, most don’t on the coast.  It’s more to, a lot of people think it’s dated.

Potentially racist and mostly cowboys. And I’m like, it could have been that way in the 1800s, but it hasn’t been in a long time. Yeah, for sure.  Um, okay. Favorite Tulsa coffee shop?  Ooh, Summer Moon or Shazer Brown. Mm hmm.  They’re good.  Summer moon for a quick little burrito, if you need a quick and a consistent coffee.

Shades of brown if you’ve got more time. But go to that grassroots place for a proper breakfast. Do you guys ever go to Cirque?  Which one? Cirque. No? It’s like a drive thru one. Okay. Oh wait! Yes! I have. Well they do have a brick and mortar store too. Oh they do? Yeah. Oh. Not too far. What’s the one that you, we just went to?

Down, it’s by Canes.  C H. Oh, I don’t know. It’s a  vegetarianfantabut the  Coffee. We just went there with Shelby and Ben.  Oh, um. Chimera. Chimery? Oh, we haven’t been there. Chimera? Chimera. It’s across the street from Cabin Boys. I think it’s technically vegetarian, but all their food is fantastic, healthy. Okay, let’s go.

Okay, I love it. Good vibe too. You’re a healthy, healthy boy. Wear your hipster outfit. Okay. I don’t know if I have any of this. No, you’ll get looks. I definitely won’t fit in. Okay, um. Most underrated place to visit in Tulsa?  Ooh, underrated. Um, Botanic Gardens in season. I still haven’t been there. Um,  You just hate Tulsa, huh?

No, I  was trying to think. It’s all equal to me. I don’t think one’s like more underrated or overrated, where I’m like, oh, they deserve more attention. Um.  Underrated.  I think honestly just the neighborhoods, like if you were walking through the neighborhoods like Florence Park,  Utica Square, Midtown, we get so entertained on our walks with all the houses, they’re just so unique and so different, so I would say that’s underrated.

I actually think the music scene in Tulsa is underrated. You just gotta find where all the people are. They could do a better job at, I don’t know, maybe Maddie does that pretty well, but  the Tulsa music scene is underrated. That’s a good one. Um.  Which local business would you most like, would you most like to collaborate with next? 

What was your guys called? Tulsa Home and Design.  Yes. There you go. We gotta redo that and you know what our company is called. We really are looking to partner up with all Tulsa. Anyone that knows how to do their job and is proud of what they do.  I’m so proud that they’re better than everyone in Tulsa.

Uh, we want to partner with. We’re always looking to kind of expand and help everyone,  us included. Right, yeah. Definitely more local, for sure, is the priority.  Okay.  Um, two more.  What’s some great advice you’ve received? 

You go first. Mm, okay. Um,  I’d say great advice would be slow down  and  um, not slow down to the point where you’re just I’m too much, I don’t know what to do, but slow down and really focus on what the things are that you’re wanting. Yeah. So,  take things off the plate to really get what makes you tick, what are some of the skills you have.

And then double down those resources, but slow down to be able to figure out what that is.  Well, I’ll piggyback off of that one,  but I think just through like the wedding and our house and everything, I think we kind of struggle sometimes of, we’re just so eager to tackle the next project and we’re like, what’s next, what’s next.

And I think just trying to slow down and be present and just enjoy life. You know, while we got married, while we finished this project in our house, and just take the time to really just realize.  You know, we’re doing it together. These are things that we’re enjoying and a lot of people can say that that they love doing what they do every single day.

So just being present and appreciating the small things. Something I think about a lot and I have for a while is if I have a Moment, good or bad,  mostly bad, I’ll take this, but good or bad, I’ll never have that moment again. I’ll never have that person, or that bad thing, or that good thing, it’ll never be there again.

So let me look at it, take the good from it, take the bad, and just appreciate that this won’t happen again. Yeah, for sure.  Okay. To piggyback off hers. Last thing, y’all have probably said this, but your favorite thing about Tulsa.  This one’s you. Favorite thing about Tulsa, I kind of said it earlier, but I think what I love about it is it feels like a Hallmark movie to me.

I’m like waiting for it to, the bubble to burst, because I’m like, there’s no way a place could be that perfect for me. Um, but I think one of my favorite things about Tulsa is. It slows me down in the best way possible. I think it reminds me what’s important in life, the people, um, the food here is spectacular.

Um, but I think it’s just one of those places that humbles you, but there’s also so much for you to do at the same time, but it’s not. Overwhelming either.  Yeah, remind me of the question one more time. Your favorite thing about Tulsa.  Her answer was so good. I got lost.  My favorite thing about Tulsa is that I can convince people to move here.

All of the Heringers and everyone else have been trying for years. And I can just, yeah, I can just trust that Tulsa is Tulsa, the people are people and you can get something good here. I don’t have to like take on this of trying to sell Tulsa to people and make sure everyone’s being nice to everyone.

That’s not my responsibility, but I can help people see why they would want to move here and let. The area to take care of itself. I think that’s awesome.  And I got her to move here, so that’s nice. Yeah, the most important.  Thank you guys for taking time to having us. Thanks for having us on. We are working on designing a new pickleball court. 

I think it’s maybe going to launch in like a month, um, but it’s in South Tulsa. 121st Memorial. So of course in Commons. But it’s fun because they have like five, let’s see, they have four different food concepts. So they’ll have Latin food, sourdough pizza, backcourt kitchen, which will be like a grill type thing, and then they’ll have a bar with smoothies and  um, smoothies, lattes, and beer and alcohol and stuff.

That’s how you get it I think. Yeah. That sounds so good. Are you guys doing like a little, like, open launch party? I’m sure we’ll be. So we’re just doing the interior design. Um, so we’re working with the builder and investor. Hopefully we get invited. I would love to see it. Do you know Josh? It’s Josh the Snowshag.

Well, I only know him because buddies. I haven’t seen him.  In a while, but everyone, a lot of people used to work for him until he sold it all. Oh, yeah.  If you’ve been to Dallas or OKC, Chicken and Pickle, you know those places. The B’s, yeah. Kind of similar to that. Sling. Yeah. They’re always packed every time I’ve been there.

That’s awesome.  It just her sourdough pizza. I know.  I was like, so there’s one down here and it’s actually owned by the same people that did Low Wood, which is our favorite restaurant. They’re just a really good restaurant group. Is the one that they do the sourdough gloves? No. Um, what’s it called? It was interesting.

It was like we couldn’t figure out, oh my goodness. Um, was something about the di the  spinning, um, shoot, I don’t know the name of it. We will, it’s on Cherry Street. Yeah. We’ll put a link in there. But is that  Lofi?  Yes. Yes, lo fi. Okay, I’m not going to be there yet, but my sister went and she loved it, so.

They have sourdough, but I’m excited for Josh’s. She’s been on the, we got a starter from my uncle, who, super nerd. He got, he did his research, got it from the bay, it’s like 250 years old. So we’ve got a good starter and she’s been working up her sourdough. That’s amazing, I love, yeah. Or heating up a little bit.

Something to worry about. Sorry to fix that. My mom does it. It’s so good.  I always send all the links to my mom. I’m like, sorry to send minerals, my mom does it occasionally. Although she’s been like a month or two since she’s brought us anything. But I send her all the recipes. I’m like, you should do this.

Yes. I didn’t realize there’s so many different things you can make with this. Pizza. Pizza, yes. You all have to get. Do you have one of those outdoor, the little pizza things? We’re working on it. Working on it. We’re patio designers next for our house. You need to show them. You need to show them.  We change our mind every, well I say we. 

Because I’m her husband and I’m respectful. We change our mind every three minutes. It’s hard. It’s really hard. I always tell people this, I’m like, I can design a client’s home, no big deal. But it’s my home, it’s hard. Because  you’re living with it. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. So, it’s a slow process over here.

And that’s okay. We’ll get there.  That’s fun. Awesome. Well, thank you guys.